The vitalist right would do well to take up the one true faith and displace gHeY Catholic academics like Patrick Deenen who think the way forward is a rainbow coalition of turd worlders.
Any right wing body builder is welcome to join me at mass in the extraordinary form this Sunday.
Body building, crypto-mining monasteries are in our future. Deus vult.
This hits home. Despite my background in the Marines, I was never a physical guy. I got through it, tolerated it, but never embraced it. I was always an egghead
Now that I've pierced the veil of the illusions the world is caught up in, I've started to draw conclusions about, say, what is wrong, and that it should be rectified.
But now the issue I face is what to DO. We arm ourselves with knowledge but for what purpose? The system must be rebelled against but to what extent? To what cost? I'm in a position where a sacrifice made by me will also be carried by others.
What to do, indeed?
This is why we talk, and ponder, and write. Maybe it's to build a coalition. Maybe that's part of the action itself.
Each of us should be 'building', based on where we are in our lives and what we are capable of. First ourselves (physically, spiritually) then our families (raising our children to be strong and faithful), then our communities (professionally, religiously, establishing collective rituals and parallel institutions), then our 'people'.
Just want to say I recently heard the word "liturgy" explained as the same word the ancients would use for, say, building the Parthenon (or let's say City Hall). A public work or community work, if you will. It makes good sense if you visit the Parthenon museum today and understand the community ritual it was meant to support (Parthenon frieze explaied).
Also of note "gospel" (evangelio/good news) was the common word for missives from the emperor like a victory in battle for instance.
Truly. I would be less interested in vitalism if the men of my church took better care of themselves. There is a great opportunity for the revival of athletic culture within the church.
The great heresy of our time is Americanism, which is of a kind that the Greeks would call Acedia, or a spiritual sloth, ennui, and alienation. We are made numb to our physical, mental, and spiritual degeneration by sheer comfort.
Johann, fascinating material as usual. I very deeply relate to the inner tension you describe between pagano-Nietzschean vitalism and the Christian life. The attempt to reconcile the two is a perilous gamble; you feel your soul is at stake, daily. It seems fair to say that the saints of the early church, and to this day monastic spirituality, would renounce vitalism as puffed up and worldly delusions. You have people in that sphere literally saying stuff like: "You must be delusions maxxing." It's irony until it's not. (The real irony is that it doesn't go a step beyond postmodernism.) This is why I respect your attempt to bring back the criterion of truth into all of this, even if this must exist in tension with Nietzsche's dictum of "no facts, only interpretations." Are you suggesting the right invents rituals, rites, and liturgy other than those of the church? Should the right then seek to "create" a new religion (which seems to be BAP's idea), even if this religion should emerge organically? Or should the church rather be vitalized from within? The Orthodox in me rejects the first, of course, but also often smiles at the vanity of the latter. In all matters, the soul is thrown back on itself, its hidden motives, and it never survives scrutiny.
I'm not suggesting the creation of a new religion, but I am suggesting that the Right should learn how to construct architectures of loyalty from religious institutions that have succeeded in doing so. The rituals these involve would not 'compete' with the Church, nor would they be anti-Christian in nature, but they would be cultural artifacts with a life of their own: think coming of age ceremonies, physical tests, pledges of allegiance, etc.
Rituals based on transcendent beliefs are the foundation of all human communities. The line between religion and culture is not really a line. It’s just a matter of how explicitly sacred the rituals are.
The vitalist right would do well to take up the one true faith and displace gHeY Catholic academics like Patrick Deenen who think the way forward is a rainbow coalition of turd worlders.
Any right wing body builder is welcome to join me at mass in the extraordinary form this Sunday.
Body building, crypto-mining monasteries are in our future. Deus vult.
Based and bread-pilled
This hits home. Despite my background in the Marines, I was never a physical guy. I got through it, tolerated it, but never embraced it. I was always an egghead
Now that I've pierced the veil of the illusions the world is caught up in, I've started to draw conclusions about, say, what is wrong, and that it should be rectified.
But now the issue I face is what to DO. We arm ourselves with knowledge but for what purpose? The system must be rebelled against but to what extent? To what cost? I'm in a position where a sacrifice made by me will also be carried by others.
What to do, indeed?
This is why we talk, and ponder, and write. Maybe it's to build a coalition. Maybe that's part of the action itself.
I agree that we do need to be doing something.
Each of us should be 'building', based on where we are in our lives and what we are capable of. First ourselves (physically, spiritually) then our families (raising our children to be strong and faithful), then our communities (professionally, religiously, establishing collective rituals and parallel institutions), then our 'people'.
Just want to say I recently heard the word "liturgy" explained as the same word the ancients would use for, say, building the Parthenon (or let's say City Hall). A public work or community work, if you will. It makes good sense if you visit the Parthenon museum today and understand the community ritual it was meant to support (Parthenon frieze explaied).
Also of note "gospel" (evangelio/good news) was the common word for missives from the emperor like a victory in battle for instance.
So our words are really about community.
The Tradcath world needs to sometimes get out of their heads and into their bodies.
The Vitalist world needs to sometimes get out of their bodies and into their heads.
They need each other; only by making better Pagans, can we make better Catholics.
Truly. I would be less interested in vitalism if the men of my church took better care of themselves. There is a great opportunity for the revival of athletic culture within the church.
The great heresy of our time is Americanism, which is of a kind that the Greeks would call Acedia, or a spiritual sloth, ennui, and alienation. We are made numb to our physical, mental, and spiritual degeneration by sheer comfort.
Nice, though I've always had liturgy translated as work FOR the people, the work of the priest for faithful.
"Every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in the things that appertain to God: that he may offer up gifts, and sacrifices for sins"
In the temple of iron the priest and victim is the bodybuilder but to what end?
Johann, fascinating material as usual. I very deeply relate to the inner tension you describe between pagano-Nietzschean vitalism and the Christian life. The attempt to reconcile the two is a perilous gamble; you feel your soul is at stake, daily. It seems fair to say that the saints of the early church, and to this day monastic spirituality, would renounce vitalism as puffed up and worldly delusions. You have people in that sphere literally saying stuff like: "You must be delusions maxxing." It's irony until it's not. (The real irony is that it doesn't go a step beyond postmodernism.) This is why I respect your attempt to bring back the criterion of truth into all of this, even if this must exist in tension with Nietzsche's dictum of "no facts, only interpretations." Are you suggesting the right invents rituals, rites, and liturgy other than those of the church? Should the right then seek to "create" a new religion (which seems to be BAP's idea), even if this religion should emerge organically? Or should the church rather be vitalized from within? The Orthodox in me rejects the first, of course, but also often smiles at the vanity of the latter. In all matters, the soul is thrown back on itself, its hidden motives, and it never survives scrutiny.
Thank you for the thoughtful comment.
I'm not suggesting the creation of a new religion, but I am suggesting that the Right should learn how to construct architectures of loyalty from religious institutions that have succeeded in doing so. The rituals these involve would not 'compete' with the Church, nor would they be anti-Christian in nature, but they would be cultural artifacts with a life of their own: think coming of age ceremonies, physical tests, pledges of allegiance, etc.
Rituals based on transcendent beliefs are the foundation of all human communities. The line between religion and culture is not really a line. It’s just a matter of how explicitly sacred the rituals are.
@Empire City Barrister: Tried & true corruption of the faith